4th time back to Speed-this dude ain't happy

[Diablo2256]

Another "selling point" for Speed, in the bad way. I'm just not sure they will ever resolve these issues in a timely manner:

 

[Demlock]

My only thought here, how hard was he running the car? Sounds like the Can Am completely trashed itself; was he following equally as hard?

People tend to forget that a $30-50k side by side is NOT at $200,000 trophy truck nor a $80,000 ground up garage build. Our cars are nothing more than extravagant ATVs. I’m NOT saying this guy road to hard, just food for thought.

 

[The Dude]

My only thought here, how hard was he running the car? Sounds like the Can Am completely trashed itself; was he following equally as hard?

People tend to forget that a $30-50k side by side is NOT at $200,000 trophy truck nor a $80,000 ground up garage build. Our cars are nothing more than extravagant ATVs. I’m NOT saying this guy road to hard, just food for thought.

Good point, Demlock.

Something else that comes to mind is Robby making it VERY clear in some of the weekly videos that unless you upshift and downshift on the fly just the proper way, it will be easy to ruin the dogs in the transmission, which is why the dogs are excluded from warranty. There is a possibility that this guy disregarded that information and thrashed the dogs until the trans would no longer shift. To be clear, I am not saying that is what happened. I'm only sharing a thought as one possibility of many possibilities.

 

[AZSPEEED38]

Another "selling point" for Speed, in the bad way. I'm just not sure they will ever resolve these issues in a timely manner:

I’m having the same transmission issues. I live at 5 ,500 feet so the car idles most of the time above the point that it will allow it to shift properly. I also have oil leaking from the engine and it has been back in twice with no improvement. I also tore my second CV boot today. Now my car doesn’t want to disengage from 4WD and makes a horrible noise when I try to shift to 2WD. I just want to get these issues fixed before another hundred are delivered next month. The expense of driving to Havasu for everything and the missed days of work are starting to add up.

 

[The Dude]

I’m having the same transmission issues. I live at 5 ,500 feet so the car idles most of the time above the point that it will allow it to shift properly. I also have oil leaking from the engine and it has been back in twice with no improvement. I also tore my second CV boot today. Now my car doesn’t want to disengage from 4WD and makes a horrible noise when I try to shift to 2WD. I just want to get these issues fixed before another hundred are delivered next month. The expense of driving to Havasu for everything and the missed days of work are starting to add up.

Thanks AZ for sharing that info. Please keep us posted on what happens, as I know there are quite a few folks who are following this closely.

 

[AZSPEEED38]

Thanks AZ for sharing that info. Please keep us posted on what happens, as I know there are quite a few folks who are following this closely.

I’ll keep you posted. I think I just need to buy a bigger trailer so that I can have my trusty old RZR to drive when the Speed breaks down. I bought this car for long adventure rides, but have no confidence in the reliability at this point and still don’t have any sort of manual after owning the car for three months so it makes it tough to work on anything.

 

[DWRAT]

My only thought here, how hard was he running the car? Sounds like the Can Am completely trashed itself; was he following equally as hard?

People tend to forget that a $30-50k side by side is NOT at $200,000 trophy truck nor a $80,000 ground up garage build. Our cars are nothing more than extravagant ATVs. I’m NOT saying this guy road to hard, just food for thought.

I wonder if AZSPEED38 is also running his car to hard???

 

[Demlock]

I wonder if AZSPEED38 is also running his car to hard???

We laugh at the concept, but it’s a thing… these cars are NOT meant to rip 88 mph through desert trails.

You don’t buy a Jeep Wrangler and expect it to run high speed down trails. Instead, you upgrade axles ($15,000), get coilover shocks ($8,000), long arms ($5,000), etc… the basic mods to get an off-road vehicle worthy can quickly equal the cost of the entire Speed UTV. These are SXSs are not dune buggies, sand rails, rock crawler, trophy trucks, nor anything above an ATV (same as Polaris/Can Am).

To be clear, I’m NOT saying either owner was ripping to hard. We don’t know the terrain or driving style of either buyer. They might be pushing the Speed to a lesser degree than a X3 and breaking. Or they might think they have a trophy truck and blast the hell out of it.

 

[DWRAT]

We laugh at the concept, but it’s a thing… these cars are NOT meant to rip 88 mph through desert trails.

You don’t buy a Jeep Wrangler and expect it to run high speed down trails. Instead, you upgrade axles ($15,000), get coilover shocks ($8,000), long arms ($5,000), etc… the basic mods to get an off-road vehicle worthy can quickly equal the cost of the entire Speed UTV. These are SXSs are not dune buggies, sand rails, rock crawler, trophy trucks, nor anything above an ATV (same as Polaris/Can Am).

To be clear, I’m NOT saying either owner was ripping to hard. We don’t know the terrain or driving style of either buyer. They might be pushing the Speed to a lesser degree than a X3 and breaking. Or they might think they have a trophy truck and blast the hell out of it.

I don't think running hard or running easy affects the ability to get it in and out of gear.

 

[Dirtlsinger]

I don't think running hard or running easy affects the ability to get it in and out of gear.

Running hard shouldn't, but, It's been told over and over, that it's a learning curve to shift on the fly with the dogs, and if not done properly you will damage them.
Maybe they have already damaged theirs? Who knows.
Or, just the linkage is out adjustment, and they don't know how to adjust it.

 

[DWRAT]

Running hard shouldn't, but, It's been told over and over, that it's a learning curve to shift on the fly with the dogs, and if not done properly you will damage them.
Maybe they have already damaged theirs? Who knows.
Or, just the linkage is out adjustment, and they don't know how to adjust it.

Both above people are complaining about a high idle which makes it difficult to change gears.
I'm talking about forward and reverse gears.

 

[Lkrfn007]

Running hard shouldn't, but, It's been told over and over, that it's a learning curve to shift on the fly with the dogs, and if not done properly you will damage them.
Maybe they have already damaged theirs? Who knows.
Or, just the linkage is out adjustment, and they don't know how to adjust it.

Running hard shouldn't, but, It's been told over and over, that it's a learning curve to shift on the fly with the dogs, and if not done properly you will damage them.
Maybe they have already damaged theirs? Who knows.
Or, just the linkage is out adjustment, and they don't know how to adjust it.

this was my first thought exactly. I don’t know how these guys drive or what their experience is. All i know and it’s what Robby reiterated was shifting this car on the fly takes experience and skill. I was worried people would get in and just think it was cool to bang gears. I had several years of driving a Penhall class 1 car with an albins, clutch car (no torque converter) and had to be so precise on blipping the throttle, pulling it into gear and back in the gas when i didn’t use the clutch which was a lot of the time going up in gears. Wedddle always said our gears looked great so i knew i was doing it right. I would caution people against shifting if you don’t have too, can be hard if not catastrophic on gears if done wrong. Again not passing judgement, just passing along some food for thought.

 

[Demlock]

From what I recall, it’s got three forward speeds. How/when do you use each gear? If you wanted to go 80 mph, do you have to start in 1, go to 2, then 3? Like a car?

My experience is only with High/Low speed ATVS. Low = slow and High = fast.

Is Speed 1 = slow (under 15), 2 = medium (15-40) and 3 = fast (40+). Can we start in any gear?

Does anyone know of a video where Speed explained it?

 

[Fighting Chicken 583]

Does anyone know of a video where Speed explained it?

@CampfiresNbrews you're up.

 

[WildWest]

this was my first thought exactly. I don’t know how these guys drive or what their experience is. All i know and it’s what Robby reiterated was shifting this car on the fly takes experience and skill. I was worried people would get in and just think it was cool to bang gears. I had several years of driving a Penhall class 1 car with an albins, clutch car (no torque converter) and had to be so precise on blipping the throttle, pulling it into gear and back in the gas when i didn’t use the clutch which was a lot of the time going up in gears. Wedddle always said our gears looked great so i knew i was doing it right. I would caution people against shifting if you don’t have too, can be hard if not catastrophic on gears if done wrong. Again not passing judgement, just passing along some food for thought.

I don’t recall Robby mentioning blipping the gas but that is what I always did and thought it was not required with this car but that is what’s usually done when gearing down to match speed. For most I would just start and keep it 2nd if not comfortable, that is where I will be most of the time.

 

[Truck-it]

I don’t recall Robby mentioning blipping the gas but that is what I always did and thought it was not required with this car but that is what’s usually done when gearing down to match speed. For most I would just start and keep it 2nd if not comfortable, that is where I will be most of the time.

The same for low. Normal (not racing) driving you typically know when you're going to need low range. As far as blipping the gas to match speed the cvt is what complicates that process. But it sounds like there are issues not related to the dog transmission. Could be initial stretch on the shift cable that a simple adjustment could fix. Once again the early customers are (graciously) participating in making these utv's better for everyone.

 

[Diablo2256]

There isn't a low and high. There's just 1,2, and 3. 1 is your low, 2 is your high, and 3 is like overdrive. You should easily hit 80 in 2/high. Overdrive is to lower engine rpm when you are on flat ground and cruising at, say 40mph+. Just saves engine, trans wear.

 

[M80]

Could be initial stretch on the shift cable that a simple adjustment could fix. Once again the early customers are (graciously) participating in making these utv's better for everyone.

So simple it’s been back 4 times.

 

[Demlock]

There isn't a low and high. There's just 1,2, and 3. 1 is your low, 2 is your high, and 3 is like overdrive. You should easily hit 80 in 2/high. Overdrive is to lower engine rpm when you are on flat ground and cruising at, say 40mph+. Just saves engine, trans wear.

So, if I was at a dead stop and wanted to cruise on flat terrain at 60, it would be best to use 3rd. Can I come to a stop, put it in 3rd, and go? Or would one only use 3rd after shifting out of 2nd.

 

[Diablo2256]

Yes. If you plan on cruising on hard pack flat ground start in 'overdrive'. He posted a video doing exactly this.