4th time back to Speed-this dude ain't happy

Never mind the shafts, it is the distortion of the alignment between engine and transmission, the added load on the belt from the distortion.
And the added loading on the shaft bearings... and so on...
Correct. The CVT shafts, clutches, bearings were all designed assuming no CVT cover support, just like every other CVT on a UTV.

For the SpeedUTV, the cover helps but is not needed.

For others, the CVT cover does nothing for the bearings/shafts/etc.
 
Correct. The CVT shafts, clutches, bearings were all designed assuming no CVT cover support, just like every other CVT on a UTV.

For the SpeedUTV, the cover helps but is not needed.

For others, the CVT cover does nothing for the bearings/shafts/etc.
That's why high horsepower UTVs use a custom brace with bearings for the clutches, because every unsupported arm will flex under load.
And the Speed UTV drive train, from the ground up, was designed to have the clutches in double sheer.
 
That's why high horsepower UTVs use a custom brace with bearings for the clutches, because every unsupported arm will flex under load.
And the Speed UTV drive train, from the ground up, was designed to have the clutches in double sheer.
If that was the case, then Robby would never run it without the CVT cover. But he has. It doesn’t need it, but it does help.

It’s like a strut tower brace on a track car. Not needed, but helps stiffen things up.
 
If that was the case, then Robby would never run it without the CVT cover. But he has. It doesn’t need it, but it does help.

It’s like a strut tower brace on a track car. Not needed, but helps stiffen things up.
My last try.
RG and his development staff have run the car a number of times with the cover off during testing with frequent adjustments to the clutches, on cars never intended for customers.
During some events, due to cooling issues, Speed has run cars with an external cooling fan mounted to the cover that maintained the bracing function.
Further, the support bearings have a slip fit, allowing some flex. Only at high loads will the support prevent excessive flex.
So, you go and do whatever you feel comfortable with. I will keep the cover on.
 
My last try.
RG and his development staff have run the car a number of times with the cover off during testing with frequent adjustments to the clutches, on cars never intended for customers.
During some events, due to cooling issues, Speed has run cars with an external cooling fan mounted to the cover that maintained the bracing function.
Further, the support bearings have a slip fit, allowing some flex. Only at high loads will the support prevent excessive flex.
So, you go and do whatever you feel comfortable with. I will keep the cover on.
So we agree it is okay to run without the clutch cover.

I’m keeping my cover on too.

Just letting people know that running without it, isn't going to destroy the CVT/trans/etc.
 
So we agree it is okay to run without the clutch cover.

I’m keeping my cover on too.

Just letting people know that running without it, isn't going to destroy the CVT/trans/etc.
No, we do not agree.
It is designed to operate with the cover.
But this is still a free country, do as you like, but don't complain.
 
The clutches will work fine, I am talking about the shafts that the clutches ride on.
They are supported by just as many bearings as a Polaris is without the cover. The whole 'double shear clutch system' is just a gimmick to add to Robby's obsession with double shear. I am certain the tolerance on those clutch cover bearings are pretty damn loose, just to make removing the clutch cover even possible.
 
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Never mind the shafts, it is the distortion of the alignment between engine and transmission, the added load on the belt from the distortion.
And the added loading on the shaft bearings... and so on...
If this was such a huge issue, don't you think the current big players would have done something about it by now? As far as I know, Speed is the only utv company that runs a design like this. And as stated in my last post I think this is more of a design 'feature' to go inline with their whole "double shear everything" marketing pitch.
Additionally, I know I've seen more than a few videos of Speed running without the cover.
 
Speed is the only utv company that runs a design like this. And as stated in my last post I think this is more of a design 'feature' to go inline with their whole "double shear everything" marketing pitch.
Yamaha uses a outside shaft bearing support on the primary.
 
If this was such a huge issue, don't you think the current big players would have done something about it by now? As far as I know, Speed is the only utv company that runs a design like this. And as stated in my last post I think this is more of a design 'feature' to go inline with their whole "double shear everything" marketing pitch.
Additionally, I know I've seen more than a few videos of Speed running without the cover.
Reason why utv and snowmobile companies don't offer double shear support would most likely be due to cost savings (removing the olive from the jar scenario). Running the clutches in double shear helps to reduce load on the bearings and the shafts which is a fact. Another big reason is to reduce/eliminate belt deflection which should reduce belt temps and increase belt life.

Been done in the aftermarket snowmobile world for decades. While it's not ceccessary, it certainly helps, especially when running high horsepower and the huge loads that the clutches/belts are under during a launch.

I will ppersonally run the cover as the benefits far outweigh the negatives. JMHO...
 
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I agree….IF they resolved the belt issues.
Not sure if ”SNOWmobiles” belts see the same temps as running in the open desert does. But I could be wrong.
Call me crazy but when Speed was working on the belt issue I could swear I saw belt temps at 40 degrees with outside temps above 100 degrees
 
I agree….IF they resolved the belt issues.
Not sure if ”SNOWmobiles” belts see the same temps as running in the open desert does. But I could be wrong.
Call me crazy but when Speed was working on the belt issue I could swear I saw belt temps at 40 degrees with outside temps above 100 degrees
Snowmobiles don't necessarily see the same ambient temperatures as they operate in opposite climates, but they get just as hot. My current sled is pushing 270hp and abuses the belt pretty badly, and unfortunately, I have to be aware of belt temps on it too. Mountain sleds also experience a lot of resistance turning a big track and running in deep snow. I'd say it's close to what a utv sees in the sand.
 
I agree….IF they resolved the belt issues.
Not sure if ”SNOWmobiles” belts see the same temps as running in the open desert does. But I could be wrong.
Call me crazy but when Speed was working on the belt issue I could swear I saw belt temps at 40 degrees with outside temps above 100 degrees
GH: unless they just got through taking the belt out of the fridge and put it on the car, I don't see how a belt can be 40 degrees when the ambient air temp is over 100. So my guess is, the belt temp sensor or indicator was not functioning properly. I do recall seeing erroneous belt temp readings at one point (many months ago during testing), but I haven't heard of that issue happening since then.
 
GH: unless they just got through taking the belt out of the fridge and put it on the car, I don't see how a belt can be 40 degrees when the ambient air temp is over 100. So my guess is, the belt temp sensor or indicator was not functioning properly. I do recall seeing erroneous belt temp readings at one point (many months ago during testing), but I haven't heard of that issue happening since then.
Somebody at the time mentioned dry ice. It was the video at Glamis I'll look for it
 
GH: unless they just got through taking the belt out of the fridge and put it on the car, I don't see how a belt can be 40 degrees when the ambient air temp is over 100. So my guess is, the belt temp sensor or indicator was not functioning properly. I do recall seeing erroneous belt temp readings at one point (many months ago during testing), but I haven't heard of that issue happening since then.
Somebody at the time mentioned dry ice. It was the video at Glamis I'll look for it
Snowmobiles don't necessarily see the same ambient temperatures as they operate in opposite climates, but they get just as hot. My current sled is pushing 270hp and abuses the belt pretty badly, and unfortunately, I have to be aware of belt temps on it too. Mountain sleds also experience a lot of resistance turning a big track and running in deep snow. I'd say it's close to what a utv sees in the sand.
 
Somebody at the time mentioned dry ice. It was the video at Glamis I'll look for it
Thanks for the info, then it must go back to a crappy belt theory. I've had belts Go in the past until I started running Bad Azz belts and replacing at the beginning of each season.
 
Thanks for the info, then it must go back to a crappy belt theory. I've had belts Go in the past until I started running Bad Azz belts and replacing at the beginning of each season.
I think it's good practice to start each riding season with a new belt. I also think it's good practice to use compressed air to blow out the clutch sheaves on a regular basis throughout each riding season.
 
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