Review of car #23

Sounds like Speeds got a list of things to figure out. With that said you can tell this guys a tech guy as he kept saying transfer case? I’m guessing he means transmission? Or maybe it was a front diff? Don’t know. But it was due to the skid plate not protecting it, that’s a problem. The trans hangs, so the fact that it was damaged by a rock is not good if that was truly the case? He mentioned hearing the internal bypass and ball joints?? Na I don’t think so? Maybe a rod end? But I’d hope they were not squeaking already.

Again being a tech guy he was hung up on the dash & tech features, which might be legit issues. But mirroring the dash to you phone was odd to me. The idea was to mirror your phone for maps to your dash, like car play. Not sure why I’d want to see my dash on my phone?

Wiring harness is going to need some looking into. Not a fan of everything being powered by the key. But like he said adding direct power to things like whips will not be that difficult.

The steering is another thing that clearly needs attention. If only he felt it, I’d question if he knew what he was feeling, but because others felt it, makes me think they have something to figure out.

And the check engine lights flashing on, and the excuse Speed gave about the engine tune they had them use sounds like BS to me.

I wonder what others thought of the brake package? Was this just him that felt it was under brake? Could it be air in the lines or master causing a mushy peddle or did they all feel it or just his car?

This guy seems to know his tech and maybe he can help Speed with some dash & app issues.

Id thank him for his honesty! It should only make all future cars better.
 
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We all know that Speed will be able to lean a lot and have some things to figure out and tweak from the first 100 or so cars, but this is what I was speculating. They are giving customers some timelines on their cars that I don’t feel is going to happen. I just don’t feel its right to give a false sense of hope. They said they would have the upgraded transmission in a week or two for the first 10 customers, now #23 just said it looks like 3-4 weeks could be more. Just come out and say ”we don’t know” or ”the delivery timelines are fluid at this time as we evaluate the first couple of batched cars”. As future owners and believers most of us would understand and respect that.
 
You have it right! Definitely a great video he made.
I agree that independent control/operation or accessories is ideal and how it should be wired. Parking at the hill with only your led whips on is what everyone does and to only be able to do so with your engine running would suck.
I hope speed reaches out to him and takes up that app / dash offer minus the idea of dash mirroring to phone.
 
WildWest said:
We all know that Speed will be able to lean a lot and have some things to figure out and tweak from the first 100 or so cars, but this is what I was speculating. They are giving customers some timelines on their cars that I don’t feel is going to happen. I just don’t feel its right to give a false sense of hope. They said they would have the upgraded transmission in a week or two for the first 10 customers, now #23 just said it looks like 3-4 weeks could be more. Just come out and say ”we don’t know” or ”the delivery timelines are fluid at this time as we evaluate the first couple of batched cars”. As future owners and believers most of us would understand and respect that.
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Agree 100. I just posted on the bandit/ el diablo delivery update thread that with all these issues seen on just one car and two or three out of the first 12 cars breaking down in under 200 miles is by no means a green light to ramp up production. I don't see a run rate of 125 cars/wk happening at all this year.
 
It was definitely an honest review - makes me glad I'm not in the first 100 , I'd really like to see RG's next presentation be about #23 video and answer/comment on things that happened.
 
SEN said:
You have it right! Definitely a great video he made.
I agree that independent control/operation or accessories is ideal and how it should be wired. Parking at the hill with only your led whips on is what everyone does and to only be able to do so with your engine running would suck.
I hope speed reaches out to him and takes up that app / dash offer minus the idea of dash mirroring to phone.
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Just to confirm you don’t need the engine running to turn accessories on. You need to have the key/power in accessory mode, which also turns the dash on. The engine is not physically running, but the car has to be activated.
 
Diablo2256 said:
Agree 100. I just posted on the bandit/ el diablo delivery update thread that with all these issues seen on just one car and two or three out of the first 12 cars breaking down in under 200 miles is by no means a green light to ramp up production. I don't see a run rate of 125 cars/wk happening at all this year.
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We are in February, and you don’t think they can solve these first run issues within a year?

Really the issues are fairly minor in the grand scheme of things. The transmission issue is already in the works and probably the biggest issue. The wiring harness issues sounds to be at installation with zip ties to tight or not in the right spots Steering might be as simple a fluid change or as great as a servo assembly issue? We know the system worked in the preproduction cars. So what’s the change? That’s where you look.

Brakes on pavement vs dirt are two different things. If you’re easily locking up on the pavement then it might be too much in the dirt. It will be interesting to hear from more experienced UTV and off roaders if they’re opinions.

I think most if these issues can be resolved in weeks or a couple months, and I don’t see it being a year before they can built 125 a week. Unless they have to stop all production they will be ramping up pretty quick imo.
 
Nikal said:
We are in February, and you don’t think they can solve these first run issues within a year?

Really the issues are fairly minor in the grand scheme of things. The transmission issue is already in the works and probably the biggest issue. The wiring harness issues sounds to be at installation with zip ties to tight or not in the right spots Steering might be as simple a fluid change or as great as a servo assembly issue? We know the system worked in the preproduction cars. So what’s the change? That’s where you look.

Brakes on pavement vs dirt are two different things. If you’re easily locking up on the pavement then it might be too much in the dirt. It will be interesting to hear from more experienced UTV and off roaders if they’re opinions.

I think most if these issues can be resolved in weeks or a couple months, and I don’t see it being a year before they can built 125 a week. Unless they have to stop all production they will be ramping up pretty quick imo.
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On paper they appear minor and maybe even easy fixes but logistically there are so many moving parts which can take a lot of time. These are only some of the issues they found with only 10 cars running for 2 days. What will be found in a much larger batch of cars running full time? The transmission fix went from a couple of weeks to a month or more. So many pieces to the puzzle. I believe Speed will get it right and find their groove but be prepared for adjusted delivery timelines. We all got excited with the all preorder fulfillment comment by Christmas 2022 but logistically not reality. Hoping for the beginning of dune season 2023, but could be the end of the year to beginning of 2024.
 
Nikal said:
We are in February, and you don’t think they can solve these first run issues within a year?

Really the issues are fairly minor in the grand scheme of things. The transmission issue is already in the works and probably the biggest issue. The wiring harness issues sounds to be at installation with zip ties to tight or not in the right spots Steering might be as simple a fluid change or as great as a servo assembly issue? We know the system worked in the preproduction cars. So what’s the change? That’s where you look.

Brakes on pavement vs dirt are two different things. If you’re easily locking up on the pavement then it might be too much in the dirt. It will be interesting to hear from more experienced UTV and off roaders if they’re opinions.

I think most if these issues can be resolved in weeks or a couple months, and I don’t see it being a year before they can built 125 a week. Unless they have to stop all production they will be ramping up pretty quick imo.
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I agree 100%, most of the issues stated were because of minimal tech items. Don't get me wrong I love tech, but i am out in the desert, i could honestly care less. Is the motor and Gen2 trans reliable? Suspension and chassis tits? Do my PCI radio and headsets work? lol Go have fun!
The tech item & bugs will work themselves out with time I am not worried.
 
ZSTIV said:
I agree 100%, most of the issues stated were because of minimal tech items. Don't get me wrong I love tech, but i am out in the desert, i could honestly care less. Is the motor and Gen2 trans reliable? Suspension and chassis tits? Do my PCI radio and headsets work? lol Go have fun!
The tech item & bugs will work themselves out with time I am not worried.
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I worry about the tech stuff the most. I don't want to be stranded in the desert because the dash went out and car won't start. How do you even trouble shoot that on the trail? He said that several times the dash would freeze and reboot. What happens when it doesn't reboot. If something mechanical breaks I can usually figure out something to get back home. If it's a tech issue I don't know how you could fix it.
 
pj_hunt said:
I worry about the tech stuff the most. I don't want to be stranded in the desert because the dash went out and car won't start. How do you even trouble shoot that on the trail? He said that several times the dash would freeze and reboot. What happens when it doesn't reboot. If something mechanical breaks I can usually figure out something to get back home. If it's a tech issue I don't know how you could fix it.
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Do we know for a fact that if the dash doesn't turn on, the car wont run?
 
ZSTIV said:
I agree 100%, most of the issues stated were because of minimal tech items. Don't get me wrong I love tech, but i am out in the desert, i could honestly care less. Is the motor and Gen2 trans reliable? Suspension and chassis tits? Do my PCI radio and headsets work? lol Go have fun!
The tech item & bugs will work themselves out with time I am not worried.
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I agree, I believe these type of bugs can and will be worked out while production is still producing.
 
Jon said:
He lost me when he started talking about ball joints and tie rod ends. You would think you have a super low number you would know what you are talking about.
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LOL okay this was good :)
 
Nikal said:
We are in February, and you don’t think they can solve these first run issues within a year?

Really the issues are fairly minor in the grand scheme of things. The transmission issue is already in the works and probably the biggest issue. The wiring harness issues sounds to be at installation with zip ties to tight or not in the right spots Steering might be as simple a fluid change or as great as a servo assembly issue? We know the system worked in the preproduction cars. So what’s the change? That’s where you look.

Brakes on pavement vs dirt are two different things. If you’re easily locking up on the pavement then it might be too much in the dirt. It will be interesting to hear from more experienced UTV and off roaders if they’re opinions.

I think most if these issues can be resolved in weeks or a couple months, and I don’t see it being a year before they can built 125 a week. Unless they have to stop all production they will be ramping up pretty quick imo.
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I hope you're more right than me, as I don't want to be in my rzr next dune season. I guess we'll see in May. If 500 cars show up I'll be surprised.
 
Jon said:
pHe lost me when he started talking about ball joints and tie rod ends. You would think you have a super low number you would know what you are talking about.
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He was definitely more technical than mechanical but still enjoyed it, i am waiting for Chupas’s review
 

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