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So Im not sure how I wanted to start this post? To make it clear this is not about comparing one UTV brands stock seatbelts vs another. Or one brand or style vs another. It’s about making sure you’re using the best safety equipment you can, be it stock or aftermarket.

So yesterday a friend of mine was in a UTV accident. He is in his 70’s and he & his wife are traveling with the 5th wheel and visiting family in northern NV. A nephew got a new UTV and they had been going out for some rides. At about 25-30mph so not real fast, and this proves you don’t need to be going fast, they drove right into a storm washout. It was 25-0 in an instant.

My friend was in the passenger seat with the nephew driving, and in the impact his chest hit the grab bar breaking his sternum. He had to be put in an ambulance and taken to the hospital. Fortunately it looks like only his sternum was broke and he has no other injuries.

The seatbelts were stock 4 point style where the two shoulder straps are retractable like in your passenger car. Due to this it caused his sternum to hit the grab bar. This tells me he either came out of the shoulder belts, or the belts did not lock up or did not lock quick enough and his body was thrown forward 12-18 inch if not more. That’s insane, to become that loose in a seat. And to clarify I don’t know how he was wearing the belts, except he was wearing all 4 points when they crashed.

Car in the washout.
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Look at the distance you have to move to hit your chest against the grab bar, which is now bent. He probably moved 12-18 inches.
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This is just a picture I found online to show the style of seatbelts that were in this car. As you can see there is no shoulder adjustment as they are retractable. There is also a rubber strap to hold the two belts together.
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Bottom line I don’t care if your belts are stock or aftermarket. Your seatbelts need to work right. They need to be installed properly and worn properly.

The Speed UTV comes with a true race style belt. They will not be SFI certified, so while they might be better than the other stock UTV belts, there are still better available. Also the other manufacturers stock belts are self adjusting, where the Speed belts you will have to manually adjust each belt strap separately and each time someone sits in that seat.

Please, please if you don’t know how to adjust your belts, because you’ve never had a traditional 5 point seatbelt. Ask someone who knows to show you how. Dont not ask because you feel dumb. You would not believe how many I know that did not understand how the crotch strap was to work. You will feel worse if injured or if you injure someone else. It hurts less to learn.

I personally like and have always used a 3 inch wide harness in my cars. There is also a brand and very particular style belt I like & use. So I’m going to try the Speed 2 inch wide CamLock belts. But if I don’t feel like they are right for me, and if I don’t feel comfortable they will come out, and what I like & know will go in.

Good news is my friend is going to be ok. At his age, it’s probably going to be a slower recovery as you just heal slower. I don’t know how long he’s going to be in the hospital? Assume he will be out soon, but I’m pretty sure they will be stuck in NV until he’s ready & able to drive the truck & 5th wheel home. Plus the rest of the trip is done.
 
So Im not sure how I wanted to start this post? To make it clear this is not about comparing one UTV brands stock seatbelts vs another. Or one brand or style vs another. It’s about making sure you’re using the best safety equipment you can, be it stock or aftermarket.

So yesterday a friend of mine was in a UTV accident. He is in his 70’s and he & his wife are traveling with the 5th wheel and visiting family in northern NV. A nephew got a new UTV and they had been going out for some rides. At about 25-30mph so not real fast, and this proves you don’t need to be going fast, they drove right into a storm washout. It was 25-0 in an instant.

My friend was in the passenger seat with the nephew driving, and in the impact his chest hit the grab bar breaking his sternum. He had to be put in an ambulance and taken to the hospital. Fortunately it looks like only his sternum was broke and he has no other injuries.

The seatbelts were stock 4 point style where the two shoulder straps are retractable like in your passenger car. Due to this it caused his sternum to hit the grab bar. This tells me he either came out of the shoulder belts, or the belts did not lock up or did not lock quick enough and his body was thrown forward 12-18 inch if not more. That’s insane, to become that loose in a seat. And to clarify I don’t know how he was wearing the belts, except he was wearing all 4 points when they crashed.

Car in the washout.
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Look at the distance you have to move to hit your chest against the grab bar, which is now bent. He probably moved 12-18 inches.
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This is just a picture I found online to show the style of seatbelts that were in this car. As you can see there is no shoulder adjustment as they are retractable. There is also a rubber strap to hold the two belts together.
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Bottom line I don’t care if your belts are stock or aftermarket. Your seatbelts need to work right. They need to be installed properly and worn properly.

The Speed UTV comes with a true race style belt. They will not be SFI certified, so while they might be better than the other stock UTV belts, there are still better available. Also the other manufacturers stock belts are self adjusting, where the Speed belts you will have to manually adjust each belt strap separately and each time someone sits in that seat.

Please, please if you don’t know how to adjust your belts, because you’ve never had a traditional 5 point seatbelt. Ask someone who knows to show you how. Dont not ask because you feel dumb. You would not believe how many I know that did not understand how the crotch strap was to work. You will feel worse if injured or if you injure someone else. It hurts less to learn.

I personally like and have always used a 3 inch wide harness in my cars. There is also a brand and very particular style belt I like & use. So I’m going to try the Speed 2 inch wide CamLock belts. But if I don’t feel like they are right for me, and if I don’t feel comfortable they will come out, and what I like & know will go in.

Good news is my friend is going to be ok. At his age, it’s probably going to be a slower recovery as you just heal slower. I don’t know how long he’s going to be in the hospital? Assume he will be out soon, but I’m pretty sure they will be stuck in NV until he’s ready & able to drive the truck & 5th wheel home. Plus the rest of the trip is done.
This is a great post, and an excellent subject to discuss in a utv forum, regardless of brand of utv. Safety is top priority in my book. Nothing ranks higher in importance IMO. I hope your friend fully recovers from this unfortunate accident. And I totally agree with you regarding the importance of proper seat belts for off-roading and ensuring that the belts fit properly.
 
It was my first accessory bought for my XX this summer. My wife hates 4 and 5 point harnesses but I don't care. Nobody rides with me without being strapped in properly. View attachment 2212

I also run PRP belts. I love them, when you are cliped in you aren't moving at all. Kinda sucks in the rocks as you can lean over as far to look.
 
I also run PRP belts. I love them, when you are cliped in you aren't moving at all. Kinda sucks in the rocks as you can lean over as far to look.
Being strapped in like that definitely sucks for crawling in the rocks. I just close my eyes and use the force to guide me. 😉
 
Long time lurker but don’t forget about the wrist or arm restraints. Nobody rides in my car without wearing them.
Hey, that reminds me. I seem to recall Robby saying in a few of his older update vids a couple of years ago that all Speed cars will come with wrist restraints. However, I haven't heard mention of wrist restraints in Speed cars for at least the past year or more, and I don't recall any of the owners who have Speed cars saying that wrist restraints came with their car. I'm not complaining, I'm just stating an observation. Perhaps Robby decided that the available window nets address the concern (that's pure speculation on my part). Does anyone know if wrist restraints come standard with Speed cars? @AZSPEEED38 or @Chupacabra Offroad did your El Jefe come with wrist restraints?
 
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Hey, that reminds me. I seem to recall Robby saying in a few of his older update vids a couple of years ago that all Speed cars will come with wrist restraints. However, I haven't heard mention of wrist restraints in Speed cars for at least the past year or more, and I don't recall any of the owners who have Speed cars saying that wrist restraints came with their car. I'm not complaining, I'm just stating an observation. Perhaps Robby decided that the available window nets address the concern (that's pure speculation on my part). Does anyone know if wrist restraints come standard with Speed cars? @AZSPEEED38 or @Chupacabra Offroad did your El Jefe come with wrist restraints?
I agree - I remember Robby stating multiple times that all cars would come with wrist restraints....., but that was a long time ago and as you mentioned, the window nets may be the alternative.
I love the idea of a 5 point harness, but I have heard from a few car owners that the cam-lock system on the Speed harness gets gummed up with dirt and grime so the cam locks don't function properly. Two of the 3 owners have removed the Speed harnesses and went with other brands that don't use a cam system. I will go with the Speed harness until I have issues with them at which point I will replace them with a manual buckle style.
 
I agree - I remember Robby stating multiple times that all cars would come with wrist restraints....., but that was a long time ago and as you mentioned, the window nets may be the alternative.
I love the idea of a 5 point harness, but I have heard from a few car owners that the cam-lock system on the Speed harness gets gummed up with dirt and grime so the cam locks don't function properly. Two of the 3 owners have removed the Speed harnesses and went with other brands that don't use a cam system. I will go with the Speed harness until I have issues with them at which point I will replace them with a manual buckle style.
I was looking at one of his cars in Havasu and had the cam-lock system get stuck on my daughter in the back seats. Ended up having her wiggle out…

If a fire ever happened, that’s a death sentence. I will most likely replace all four harnesses on day one.
 
I agree - I remember Robby stating multiple times that all cars would come with wrist restraints....., but that was a long time ago and as you mentioned, the window nets may be the alternative.
I love the idea of a 5 point harness, but I have heard from a few car owners that the cam-lock system on the Speed harness gets gummed up with dirt and grime so the cam locks don't function properly. Two of the 3 owners have removed the Speed harnesses and went with other brands that don't use a cam system. I will go with the Speed harness until I have issues with them at which point I will replace them with a manual buckle style.
Thanks for sharing that info on the camlock gumming up. (y) That's the first I have heard of it. I plan to do the same thing.....use the Speed camlock for as long as it works properly, and if/when I encounter an issue with it, I will swap it out with something else.
 
Thanks for sharing that info on the camlock gumming up. (y) That's the first I have heard of it. I plan to do the same thing.....use the Speed camlock for as long as it works properly, and if/when I encounter an issue with it, I will swap it out with something else.
As long as you don’t encounter the issue at in an unfortunate time.
 
As long as you don’t encounter the issue at in an unfortunate time.
That’s the thing, if you discover it’s got problems releasing, it might be too late. I cannot justify saving $800 over a child’s/passengers safety.

If I had the problem and others have also had it, this tells me it wasn’t a one-time fluke but rather a serious safety issue.
 
I think the seat belts are tied to the engine too. If it doesn't sense all of them are buckled then it goes into limp mode. I wonder if you loose this feature if you go aftermarket. I wonder if it goes into limp mode if the cam-lock is jammed.
 
I think the seat belts are tied to the engine too. If it doesn't sense all of them are buckled then it goes into limp mode. I wonder if you loose this feature if you go aftermarket. I wonder if it goes into limp mode if the cam-lock is jammed.
I know that feature is easily defeatable on Polaris Turbo S's. I would imagine it would be defeatable on the Speed cars. Just guessing on that, of course.
 
I think the seat belts are tied to the engine too. If it doesn't sense all of them are buckled then it goes into limp mode. I wonder if you loose this feature if you go aftermarket. I wonder if it goes into limp mode if the cam-lock is jammed.
Very easily bypassed as with all the other SXS's.
 
Thanks for sharing that info on the camlock gumming up. (y) That's the first I have heard of it. I plan to do the same thing.....use the Speed camlock for as long as it works properly, and if/when I encounter an issue with it, I will swap it out with something else.
You're welcome. I'm not crazy about passing on information from the experience of others, but it seems to be a common theme from those I've spoken with. I guess we'll see what other owners experience once more cars are delivered.
 
There is this really cool product that has been out for years, ever heard of WD-40? 🤪
WD-40 would compound the issue because it will attract more dirt and sand. One of the guys actually said he tried WD-40 before he removed the harness and it just made things worse. I'm curious if a silicone based lubricant would possibly work better.....?
 
WD-40 would compound the issue because it will attract more dirt and sand. One of the guys actually said he tried WD-40 before he removed the harness and it just made things worse. I'm curious if a silicone based lubricant would possibly work better.....?
Graphite would be best. Dry lube
 
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