SSSS 2023 Talk

[aiiRaciing]

WTH is you daily driver? Looks badass.

I don’t really have a daily driver per say. I have a what ever I feel like driving today is what I drive. But I’m this case it was my blue truck

 

[PropDr]

The truck was thrown back together the last few days for the show, so I didn’t really have time for any details to be worked out. But good looking out

Stay safe, I learned a lot form stupidity and ignorance (many times my own)

 

[c_knippelberg]

My SSSS experience:
I will be the first to say there were a few issues. Everything was smooth, until I noticed that I had no KMC wheels/sand tires, no buffed PLW10 sand tires (I ordered both to run both, plan to use PLW10 on my Diablo and KMC/EFX on my Jefe) but those are supposed to be drop shipped to customers apparently. My PCI front and rear pumpers were non existent and was told they were waiting on brackets for the rear and I can bring back or install myself after they ship parts to me.

Now… here’s my honest opinion after taking it to Johnson Valley (think KOH) where I ran some of the lighter not so rocky terrain and some soft sand, etc.

First, recognize that we are a part of a “start up” company. Set your expectations as such.
Second, take the “chatter” about issues with a grain of salt. Don’t jump to conclusions or allow yourself to get worked up. Breathe and think back to my first statement,

Third (and possibly most important) and what I told a few others that I was BSibg with at SSSS… Walt until you get your car and when you do, do what I did, take it out the very next day and put some miles on it!

You will likely be blown away and forget about all the little things you were worried about or heard people complain about.

The car is ridiculous and overall very well designed and thought out.

Is/was it perfect? Answer is no, almost.

Will you love it? Answer is yes! The car is on another level.

Most people spend years dialing a baseline tune in. When you consider how good this car is out of the box, I personally believe you will be impressed too.

 

[pj_hunt]

My SSSS experience:
I will be the first to say there were a few issues. Everything was smooth, until I noticed that I had no KMC wheels/sand tires, no buffed PLW10 sand tires (I ordered both to run both, plan to use PLW10 on my Diablo and KMC/EFX on my Jefe) but those are supposed to be drop shipped to customers apparently. My PCI front and rear pumpers were non existent and was told they were waiting on brackets for the rear and I can bring back or install myself after they ship parts to me.

Now… here’s my honest opinion after taking it to Johnson Valley (think KOH) where I ran some of the lighter not so rocky terrain and some soft sand, etc.

First, recognize that we are a part of a “start up” company. Set your expectations as such.
Second, take the “chatter” about issues with a grain of salt. Don’t jump to conclusions or allow yourself to get worked up. Breathe and think back to my first statement,

Third (and possibly most important) and what I told a few others that I was BSibg with at SSSS… Walt until you get your car and when you do, do what I did, take it out the very next day and put some miles on it!

You will likely be blown away and forget about all the little things you were worried about or heard people complain about.

The car is ridiculous and overall very well designed and thought out.

Is/was it perfect? Answer is no, almost.

Will you love it? Answer is yes! The car is on another level.

Most people spend years dialing a baseline tune in. When you consider how good this car is out of the box, I personally believe you will be impressed too.

I am really glad to hear that. Gives us hope everything is running smoothly.

 

[The Dude]

My SSSS experience:
I will be the first to say there were a few issues. Everything was smooth, until I noticed that I had no KMC wheels/sand tires, no buffed PLW10 sand tires (I ordered both to run both, plan to use PLW10 on my Diablo and KMC/EFX on my Jefe) but those are supposed to be drop shipped to customers apparently. My PCI front and rear pumpers were non existent and was told they were waiting on brackets for the rear and I can bring back or install myself after they ship parts to me.

Now… here’s my honest opinion after taking it to Johnson Valley (think KOH) where I ran some of the lighter not so rocky terrain and some soft sand, etc.

First, recognize that we are a part of a “start up” company. Set your expectations as such.
Second, take the “chatter” about issues with a grain of salt. Don’t jump to conclusions or allow yourself to get worked up. Breathe and think back to my first statement,

Third (and possibly most important) and what I told a few others that I was BSibg with at SSSS… Walt until you get your car and when you do, do what I did, take it out the very next day and put some miles on it!

You will likely be blown away and forget about all the little things you were worried about or heard people complain about.

The car is ridiculous and overall very well designed and thought out.

Is/was it perfect? Answer is no, almost.

Will you love it? Answer is yes! The car is on another level.

Most people spend years dialing a baseline tune in. When you consider how good this car is out of the box, I personally believe you will be impressed too.

Great post!

 

[CampfiresNbrews]

Did @Dirtlsinger ever find or get his car? I didn’t see it anywhere today.

 

[c_knippelberg]

Great post!

Thanks! I will expand tomorrow or Tuesday in the proper forum regarding my honest feedback. I’m taking it out again to same location tomorrow for another day of running it.

short form:
Brake pads / wilwoods / pivot point adjustment to increase leverage ratio at the pedal… something needs to be done but it’s not major. Just don’t go hammer your car then think that your brakes are going to perform well, so be careful and learn your car.

Steering feedback with heavy side load is probably my biggest gripe and just doesn’t “feel right” when you feel it.

The rest you’ve heard… stop nitpicking.

Just drive the damn car! It’s bitchen.

 

[pj_hunt]

So I went again today and decided to do some eaves dropping on RG talking to a group of guys. This is what I came away with. Maybe some of the guys that picked up cars today can explain more. It was difficult to hear him so take it for what it’s worth.

Diaphragms drying out. Need ~ 55-65 psi fuel pressure. If not check diaphragm located between the two back seat. Easy to change out. All cars are being sent out with extra NEWER replacement one. 2024 cars will have it already installed. Those will have the newer material diaphragms once EPA is completed. Something about he can’t add it now to existing cars due to EPA.

Transmission if it doesn’t want to shift then let rpm’s settle down to 1450 rpm then shift. Cold weather takes a little longer. At higher rpms the gears are wanting to engage which makes it hard to shift.

VP TOP LUBE to keep hoses from drying out when on e 85

Process of designing a type of parking brake that hydraulically locks all 4 brakes.

Inner cover hole of the cvt gets capped off for better cvt cooling.
Said a better design would be to introduce air from the middle of the cover. I’m Not sure if that is in the works.

3 or 4 tip spark plug for 91 octane and no tip spark plugs for e 85. Do these Need to be swapped out depending on fuel?

Does this confirm that there are changes for 2024 EPA then? What diaphragms are we talking about? I don't remember problems with diaphragms.

 

[pj_hunt]

Thanks! I will expand tomorrow or Tuesday in the proper forum regarding my honest feedback. I’m taking it out again to same location tomorrow for another day of running it.

short form:
Brake pads / wilwoods / pivot point adjustment to increase leverage ratio at the pedal… something needs to be done but it’s not major. Just don’t go hammer your car then think that your brakes are going to perform well, so be careful and learn your car.

Steering feedback with heavy side load is probably my biggest gripe and just doesn’t “feel right” when you feel it.

The rest you’ve heard… stop nitpicking.

Just drive the damn car! It’s bitchen.

Do you know if you have old or new compound brake pads installed? Did they talk about brakes at all when you went through training? Maybe they just need to be broken in.

 

[Daniel G]

May have found my twin

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Nice looking UTV. My brother would put a Raider sticker on the side and claim it’s the best looking UTV ever.

 

[Nikal]

Thanks! I will expand tomorrow or Tuesday in the proper forum regarding my honest feedback. I’m taking it out again to same location tomorrow for another day of running it.

short form:
Brake pads / wilwoods / pivot point adjustment to increase leverage ratio at the pedal… something needs to be done but it’s not major. Just don’t go hammer your car then think that your brakes are going to perform well, so be careful and learn your car.

Steering feedback with heavy side load is probably my biggest gripe and just doesn’t “feel right” when you feel it.

The rest you’ve heard… stop nitpicking.

Just drive the damn car! It’s bitchen.

Please!!! Make your voice and concerns known about the steering feedback to Robby, Todd & everyone at Speed UTV! There is a fix for this and it’s been tested. But I get the feeling Speed is either going to make it an accessory or wait and see if they get a bunch of negative feedback from the owners before they implement the update fix.

I will say the Rick #14 Speed car tested the Fix in Baja and said it’s a day & night improvement. His second Speed car was the one in the Wilwood booth on display. He said he’s requesting the “Fix” for that car too.

The more “Owners” that call Speed and confirm the steering chatter feedback and want it fixed, the sooner they will have to make the fix.

 

[Daniel G]

I needed harness for a few of my trucks since some are out of date at this point.

I thought you were going to say you had a 4x4 12 passenger sprinter van you needed them for.

 

[CampfiresNbrews]

Does this confirm that there are changes for 2024 EPA then? What diaphragms are we talking about? I don't remember problems with diaphragms.

Like I said I was just eavesdropping. RG was in the middle of explaining the cars to their new owners and I didn’t want to interrupt. But I’m assuming fuel pump diaphragms? Maybe guys with cars can chime in on this. @951PRERUN @Dirtlsinger @c_knippelberg

 

[Eljefe1950]

My SSSS experience:
I will be the first to say there were a few issues. Everything was smooth, until I noticed that I had no KMC wheels/sand tires, no buffed PLW10 sand tires (I ordered both to run both, plan to use PLW10 on my Diablo and KMC/EFX on my Jefe) but those are supposed to be drop shipped to customers apparently. My PCI front and rear pumpers were non existent and was told they were waiting on brackets for the rear and I can bring back or install myself after they ship parts to me.

Now… here’s my honest opinion after taking it to Johnson Valley (think KOH) where I ran some of the lighter not so rocky terrain and some soft sand, etc.

First, recognize that we are a part of a “start up” company. Set your expectations as such.
Second, take the “chatter” about issues with a grain of salt. Don’t jump to conclusions or allow yourself to get worked up. Breathe and think back to my first statement,

Third (and possibly most important) and what I told a few others that I was BSibg with at SSSS… Walt until you get your car and when you do, do what I did, take it out the very next day and put some miles on it!

You will likely be blown away and forget about all the little things you were worried about or heard people complain about.

The car is ridiculous and overall very well designed and thought out.

Is/was it perfect? Answer is no, almost.

Will you love it? Answer is yes! The car is on another level.

Most people spend years dialing a baseline tune in. When you consider how good this car is out of the box, I personally believe you will be impressed too.

Great post and even the new SXS from the big 2 have both small and big issues. What SXS did you previously own?

 

[DWRAT]

Did @Dirtlsinger ever find or get his car? I didn’t see it anywhere today.

I'm guessing he did get it and is now to busy having fun with an actual car to hang with us carless people.

 

[c_knippelberg]

Do you know if you have old or new compound brake pads installed? Did they talk about brakes at all when you went through training? Maybe they just need to be broken in.

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Do you know if you have old or new compound brake pads installed? Did they talk about brakes at all when you went through training? Maybe they just need to be broken in.

I don’t know but I’m sure they are the old compound.

 

[951PRERUN]

Sorry just getting caught up!

BTW tonight looked to be the start of a real shit show for those getting cars.

Car #127 I met the couple who was picking the car up. They drove 7 plus hours from Nor Cal. The car had 3-4 accessories they did not buy. Speed asked if they wanted to buy and they said no. Speed was to remove those items. (Window nets, big storage box, rear bumper etc) this is around noon’ish.

Then they were told you can take the car at 7pm. At 6:45pm the parts were still on the car. They already did their “walk around” with the rep. Did the training class, and paid for the car. Then they asked the rep when are you going to remove the parts so I can get going. The rep said we will get Max & his crew to take the car around the back and pull them off. Then Speed rep said, I’m not sure we can start moving cars until around 8pm after everyone has left, as the event does not allow it as they close at 7pm and customers could be still walking around.

So I’m hoping they got out if there by 10pm and you could see the frustration on their faces. He found a few small issues with the car but was more like F it, all fix it myself as I don’t want to wait around. Super nice couple. Is #127 on the forum?

Photo take by @diablo2023

My Buddy took home a car Saturday with accessories still on it that he did not pay for. They did not take them off after he had initially asked the day before. Not his problem!

Ok last one and I’m off to bed.

I think this is why cv boots are failing. The car at the Wilwood booth was jacked up on a Speed car jack with all 4 wheels at full droop.

Look at how at full droop the boots are pulling and distorted. Now imaging the axle rotating at speed!

I feel like the boots are not long enough for the amount of plunge you see on the axle in the CV. Also they have a rubber band covering the boot clamp on the axle. This would be to prevent the clamp from tearing the boot as it will rub.

My thought is the boot need to be longer with 1-2 more ribs in it. Also maybe removing the boot to axle clamp and allowing the boot to slide & float on the axle, so it’s not distorting and trying to pull itself apart.

On my race car and Prerunner we never added a clamp on the boot to axle, so the boot could slip on the axle. I think on the Prerunner my axles are not a thick and we did add a zip tie, but it’s not tight and the boot could still move a bit.

Also guys used to add a small piece of WD40 spray straw between the boot & axle to act as a vent as the hot grease can cause the boot to build pressure and blow up. So the straw was a vent. I never had this issue and doubt Speed is, I’m more betting on the boot distortion is causing the failures.

This is a car sitting still that was just statically jacked up in place. I’ve never had a car that does this to a boot!

Look at how the inner (trans side) boot is stretching and collapsing. And the outer (training arm) is compressing & distorting. This is because the axles plunging out of the inner CV and dropping into the outer cv more.

Here is the rubber band that is slipped on and covering the metal band clamp on the boot. I should have took a picture as I lifted it up to see the metal band.

Conner had told me they though it was a rubber issue and might be too brittle. They said its only happened to the first batch of cars. I haven't had any issues yet so we will see. I will buy some spares in the mean time. The boots look fine stretched IMO and its like that because of the dual plunging aspect that 930s and 934s don't have.

Sourcing parts from others than SPEED:
1. Has anyone been able to source the eibach spring? Yes I have the weights and my racer cost at Kartek is significantly less.
2. Boots I have looked
3. Rotors, calibers (Wilwoods) or just better brake pads I tried but the caliper brackets cant be purchased separate. I don't want orange calipers!
4. Air Filters I can't find anywhere and I have looked on line and went into napa with the measurements. I emailed S&B if they want to make a filter or particle separator they can use my car.
5. Wheel hub bearing
6. sensors
7. Belts Yes from my understanding its the same as a XX and g force makes some good ones.

Funny, one of the more recent live videos Robby stated he wasn’t aware of a

Thought I noticed it on the #31 car as well.

Yes its only the first batch of cars. they were orange before. I don't mind as I will take them off at some point and go black.

Thanks! I will expand tomorrow or Tuesday in the proper forum regarding my honest feedback. I’m taking it out again to same location tomorrow for another day of running it.

short form:
Brake pads / wilwoods / pivot point adjustment to increase leverage ratio at the pedal… something needs to be done but it’s not major. Just don’t go hammer your car then think that your brakes are going to perform well, so be careful and learn your car.

Steering feedback with heavy side load is probably my biggest gripe and just doesn’t “feel right” when you feel it.

The rest you’ve heard… stop nitpicking.

Just drive the damn car! It’s bitchen.

I think a huge thing is seating the pads right away. They get noticeably in the first 100 miles.

Does this confirm that there are changes for 2024 EPA then? What diaphragms are we talking about? I don't remember problems with diaphragms.

Fuel pressure regulator. Not a guaranteed problem. I think he's just getting ahead on changes needed under EPA. This can always be swapped for an aeromotive for under $100.

Please!!! Make your voice and concerns known about the steering feedback to Robby, Todd & everyone at Speed UTV! There is a fix for this and it’s been tested. But I get the feeling Speed is either going to make it an accessory or wait and see if they get a bunch of negative feedback from the owners before they implement the update fix.

I will say the Rick #14 Speed car tested the Fix in Baja and said it’s a day & night improvement. His second Speed car was the one in the Wilwood booth on display. He said he’s requesting the “Fix” for that car too.

The more “Owners” that call Speed and confirm the steering chatter feedback and want it fixed, the sooner they will have to make the fix.

The fix was a different servo from what we tested in February. I think its improved over that but there is still some feedback turning. Maybe I'm wrong and there is another more recent fix?

 

[gonzalez.michael1]

Can't complain about free accessories!

 

[SEN]

Do I dare ask why you bought 12 set of belts?

I found his car. Looks like he does need that many belts.

 

[Jimmy]

I was speaking with Daniel last night about the new compound brakes that were tested, he stated that they will not come on the cars but rather will be an added purchase accessory. This is total BS. I feel they should install these new test brake pads on ALL cars. Also too many excuses were made about broken axle boots blaming the drivers.
I hope some changes are made really soon.

I was told by Karla the cars would come with the new brake compounds.